All Signs Point To One Thing: We’re Reliving The 2016 Election

A Democrat National Committee-engineered nomination.

A press that dismisses serious questions as conspiracies, and Republicans as racists.

A campaign that scorns personal interaction and relies on technology.

A candidate who is isolated, and in some areas completely absent.

A smattering of lackluster rallies with dozens of participants.

A highly compromising laptop in the hands of U.S. intelligence.

A final-stretch Barack Obama appearance in deep-blue Philadelphia.

A Republican opponent who is packing stadiums while inspiring arts, crafts, music, and dance moves, but is behind in all major polling.

And “Saturday Night Live” skits that fail to trigger so much as a chuckle.

Does all this sound familiar? It should, because it describes Hillary Clinton’s campaign for president. For a few sweet weeks after she lost, these were the topics of dozens upon dozens of public media chest-beating and garment-rending sessions.

How could they have missed such obvious signs of a rotten Democratic campaign, they asked the heavens, and not seen such clear signals of Republican enthusiasm? Today, just four years later, we’re living it all over again. So what happened to the soul searching, and how did the pundit class end up back in the exact place, trying desperately to undo history by repeating it to a tee?

After November 2016, Democrats wondered what they’d done wrong — what Her had done wrong. Had they forgotten white working voters? (Yep.) Had they sacrificed the concerns of the ordinary Americans for the luxury problems of the elites? (Yes.) Had they taken victory for granted, confident that voters would not support Donald Trump? (Mmhm.) Had they skipped Wisconsin? (Yeah, they did that).

Reporters wondered what they’d done wrong, too. The Huffington Post did a whole “Listen to America” tour of 25 cities, 19 of which were blue, and there was a general call to listen to the country and dispense with the contempt.

Where’d all that go? The short of it is more important things came up. The new president’s attorney general was a Klansman, for one. Or was he a Kremlin agent? Russia took center stage before it was traded in for Ukraine before going back to Russia again.

Somehow, four short years after the Democratic Party and their media allies publicly went through what recovering alcoholics call “a moment of clarity,” they relapsed. They are doing it all again, bit for bit, and play for play. They even brought back Black Lives Matter, that national organizer of violent racial hatred that last led to the 2016 murder of five Dallas policemen. The whole gang is back.

Few Democrats are truly excited for Joe, a candidate foisted on the faithful by a party leadership terrified of the hyper-popular radicals in their midst.

News outlets are asking the former vice president what his favorite ice cream is while issuing press releases assuring their audience they won’t cover his family’s corruption. Only Thursday night, in a strong final debate, were major channels forced to carry the allegations for more than a few dismissive moments.

Committed to pandemic street theater, Democrats have largely discarded field offices and door-knocks, relying instead on digital campaigning.

The candidate is so isolated from Americans that his own campaign staff must look away while drinking water, and he dared not even shake hands with his running mate. With few public appearances and even fewer questions, neither he nor Kamala Harris are present in the states they need to win.

When they do hold rallies, viewers are sometimes confined to their cars. Others look like bizarre music videos, with small numbers of spaced humans wearing masks in parking lots.

A highly compromising laptop once owned by Hunter Biden is in the hands of U.S. intelligence, with more and more damaging evidence of corruption emerging daily, amplified by a brazen Big Tech campaign to censor the news.

Obama, who struggles to hide his disinterest in his former vice president, made an eventual appearance, opting to hold a rally in deep-blue Philadelphia. He hopes to recreate the black support that helped him win Pennsylvania twice but failed to materialize when he visited for Her.

Although behind in all major polling, Donald Trump is packing stadiums. Trump flags, tambourines, and switchblades are sold on the side of the road, homemade mailboxes bear his likeness, skydivers and boaters wave his banner across the horizon, and teenagers try to learn his dance moves.

And once again, “Saturday Night Live” skits fail to trigger so much as a chuckle.

This Election Day could go either way, and nothing is for certain. Nothing, except for one thing: We haven’t learned a thing.

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Beijing Bribery – Bartiromo Releases Exclusive Segment With President Trump: “Deep Seated Corruption” and DC “People are Protected”…

During an interview segment with Homeland Security Committee Chairman Ron Johnson discussing the Chinese pay-offs to the Biden family, Ms. Bartiromo plays an audio soundbite from President Trump outlining the motive for DC to blame Russia not China.

As noted by President Trump the DC system cannot use China as the foil for their political attack narratives because Beijing has used financial schemes as an intelligence operation to compromise most of the more influential politicians.   The Chinese payments to Joe Biden and family are only one example; there are likely dozens of high-powered DC politicians who have taken bribes from the Chinese Communist Party; thus DC has willfully created a corrupt system of mutually assured destruction… ergo they must ignore.

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Once you realize that Beijing has paid-off top level DC politicians for influence operations, you are well positioned to think about how much the Chinese Communist Party has paid to the U.S. Chamber of Commerce and Tom Donohue inc etc.  Once that light-bulb goes off you start to rethink the background motives for the number one lobbyist in Washington DC… and then suddenly a lot of things make a lot more sense.

(Source – Open Secrets)

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Once you start to realize is that “lobbying” is merely the mechanism, then you can see how the U.S. Chamber of Commerce is the bag-man.

♦ Hunter Biden was the bag-man for the Biden family gathering up payments from foreign entities, laundering them through false businesses, and then redistributing the payments to the family members.

♦ Tom Donohue is the bag-man for the Chamber of Commerce gathering up payments from foreign entities, laundering them through the chamber, and then redistributing them to the DC politicians from K-Street.

It’s the exact same process.

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(2018 – Open Secrets)

And remember, it’s the lobbyists who actually write the legislation.

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Sunday Talks: Jim Jordan and Doug Collins Discuss Hunter Biden Laptop and Joe Biden Bribery Schemes…

Representative Jim Jordan and Representative Doug Collins appear on Sunday morning to discuss the stunning evidence within the Hunter Biden laptop that shows a massive insider payoff and Biden family scheme to enrich themselves through bribes.

The Chinese communist government knew exactly what they were doing by paying Hunter Biden for Joe Biden’s influence.  The Chinese Communist Party motive was transparently to have control over the Biden family; that is a national security risk.

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Joe Biden: My son ‘has not made money in terms of…what are you talking about?’

October 25, 2020

Former Vice President Joe Biden told NBC News’ Kristen Welker Friday that his son Hunter Biden “has not made money in terms of… what are you talking about?”

She asked the Democratic nominee about the growing scandal and release of emails from the recently discovered Hunter Biden laptop allegedly showing extraordinary deep seated corruption regarding his son’s business dealings with foreign government, mainly China, Ukraine and Kazakstan.

“In retrospect, were any of those relationships inappropriate or unethical?” asked NBC News’ Kristen Welker.

“Nothing was an unethical, here’s what the deal… My son has not made money in terms of this thing about… What are you talking about?” asked former VP Joe Biden to NBC about his son, Hunter Biden.

Biden denied everything, saying even during the debate that his son “did not make money” off of China. That, however, appears to be incorrect as a Senate report reveals that Hunter Biden’s business has made roughly over $5 million from a a Chinese Oil Company CEFC.

Moreover, he was receiving roughly $50,000 plus from Ukrainian energy giant Burisma Holdings every month to sit on the company’s board. There are also substantial questions about other business dealings including an alleged $3.5 million transfer from a former Moscow mayor’s wife.

“Nothing was an unethical, here’s what the deal… My son has not made money in terms of this thing about… What are you talking about?” asked Biden.

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Coronavirus: Corporate Plunder and Hope for Political Change

Economic Colapse

“It destroys peoples lives! And it destroys the nation-state! And eventually, what is happening is a structure whereby the financial establishment takes over the structures of government.”

– Professor Michel Chossudovsky (from this week’s interview)

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While there is much reporting on the daily increases COVID carriers (assuming the tests are reliable) and the regrettable deaths (assuming COVID was the cause), there is less attention to the horrendous difficulties wrought by the shut-downs of the economy as a necessity to halt the spread of the virus.

Starting in March, we have seen several centres close down services, including schools, universities, and museums. An entire season of festivals and public engagements have gotten cancelled. Businesses having to deal with less business than usual are worried about their futures, and some are definitely in trouble. As a result, workers face unemployment. [1][2][3]

This has resulted in increases in domestic violence and increasing poverty. And the suicide rate has gone through the roof!

Is this truly a price worth paying? Is the carnage induced by the lock-downs part of the casualties we must endure while we await the cherished vaccine?

Or could there be other entities who privately benefit from this situation in ways that are on a whole different level than public health?

These are just a few of the concerns the Global Research News Hour show will ponder as we take a look at the pandemic from a social and economic perspective.

Our first guest, Professor Michel Chossudovsky, has been very informed about the virus not being what we are told. He is also an economist with a background in studying health economics. In this interview, Professor Chossudovsky mentions that moves by the elites seemed to have foreknowledge of the spread of the virus. He also mentions that elites got very wealthy from the subsequent collapses of companies and economies.

In our second half hour, after a brief talk about the “Great Reset” of the entire system, Professor Radhika Desai talks about the structure if the collapse due to COVID denying us any sense of a new economic normal. She also suggests the Chinese approach to the pandemic crisis was fundamentally far more helpful and sensible than that in the U.S. or Canada. This interview is shared with us by Chris Cook of CFUV’s Gorilla-radio!

Michel Chossudovsky is an award-winning author, Professor of Economics (emeritus) at the University of Ottawa, Founder and Director of the Centre for Research on Globalization (CRG), Montreal, Editor of Global Research. He has 

Radhika Desai is a professor in the Department of Political Studies at the University of Manitoba and currently serves as the director of the Geopolitical Economy Research Group. She is currently working on a 7-part  multi-week series of commentary on the COVID-19 crisis entitled WHAT IS TO BE DONE? A MANIFESTO FOR POLITICS AMID THE PANDEMIC AND BEYOND.

(Global Research News Hour Episode 292)

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The Global Research News Hour airs every Friday at 1pm CT on CKUW 95.9FM in Winnipeg. The programme is also podcast at globalresearch.ca .

Notes:

  1. https://news.un.org/en/story/2020/05/1064362
  2. https://en.unesco.org/covid19/educationresponse
  3. https://ca.finance.yahoo.com/news/universities-brace-for-a-permanent-wave-of-closures-as-coronavirus-pushes-schools-to-brink-153123471.html

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Hunter Biden Business Associate, Tony Bobulinski, Interviewed by FBI – Senator Johnson Releases Statement…

U.S. Senator Ron Johnson, chair of the Senate Homeland Security Committee, releases the following statement:

Last night Mr. Bobulinski held a press conference outlining his knowledge of presidential candidate Joe Biden being the recipient of payments/bribes from foreign governments through his son Hunter Biden’s arrangements with several entities.  Mr. Bobulinski noted he was willing to pass along the additional evidence in his possession to the FBI including his cell phones and electronic records.  Apparently that process is taking place.

The current public evidence shows Hunter Biden was essentially the bagman for the Biden family; and various foreign business interests paid money into Hunter’s accounts as a pass-through to pay-off Joe Biden for his influence on policy that supported their financial interests.  Joe Biden is fully exposed within the sworn statement by Tony Bobulinski.

Unfortunately, due to their demonstrable political corruption, the appearance by the FBI in this situation is not met with any confidence that an actual and valid investigation would take place.

According to all reporting; and in line with all documentary evidence released so far; the FBI was already in possession of similar evidence from the laptop of Hunter Biden since December 2019, and yet they did nothing.

In December of 2019 President Trump was in the middle of an impeachment effort for his contact with the Ukrainian President Zelensky and a request for an investigation into corrupt payments to the Biden family.  The impeachment effort was taking place at the exact moment the FBI was in custody of the Biden laptop showcasing factual evidence that President Trump’s concern was not only valid, but factually evident.

So the obvious question is: why the FBI would allow an impeachment effort to take place for three months while they sat on exculpatory evidence that would have highlighted the issues in front of the legislative branch?

The answer to that question only goes in one direction…. Corrupt FBI officials were hiding the Hunter Biden laptop to allow the impeachment effort to attempt President Trump’s removal from office.

There is no valid scenario where the action, or lack thereof, by the FBI can be viewed as anything other than a corrupt and aligned effort to undermine the United States government.  This self-evident reality then calls into question the entire validity of the U.S. DOJ under Attorney General Bill Barr and the FBI under Director Christopher Wray.

Not since the civil war have the institutions of The United States government been as tenuously unstable as they are today.  We are on the precipice of a total collapse in confidence for the justice system in our nation… if we are not there already.

I pray for our nation, against the prescience of Mr Devin Nunes.

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FBI reportedly requests interview with Hunter Biden associate Tony Bobulinski, delaying his Senate appearance

October 23, 2020

BREAKING

The FBI has reportedly requested a Friday interview with former Hunter Biden associate Tony Bobulinski, who is said to have information regarding the Biden family’s dealings overseas.

During a news conference before the presidential debate on Thursday, Bobulinski, who was President Trump’s guest at the debate, told members of the press of his intention to speak with members of the Senate and to turn over documents to the FBI as early as Friday. And the topic certainly made its way into the debate, however, the allegations weren’t flatly denied by Democratic nominee Joe Biden.

The FBI’s request will likely delay his meeting with Senators.

Bobulinski read several alleged emails where he argued the Biden family profited from China and said Joe Biden has knowledge of the overseas dealings.

“I appreciate that the FBI has a job to do, and I am glad they are finally taking an interest in these concerning financial matters that our Committees have been investigating for months,” Senate Homeland Security Chairman Ron Johnson reportedly said in a statement Friday. “I expect that Mr. Bobulinski will speak with our committee as soon as possible and fully share his insights into the Biden family’s business dealings.”

Johnson’s committee has been investigating the Hunter Biden alleged overseas connections. In a report released last month on the findings of his Committee’s investigation, it was found that Hunter Biden was possibly involved in criminal activities

“Hunter Biden had business associations with Ye Jianming, Gongwen Dong, and other Chinese nationals linked to the Communist government and the People’s Liberation Army. Those associations resulted in millions of dollars in cash flow,” the report found in one instance.

In another finding, the report indicated that “Hunter Biden paid nonresident women who were nationals of Russia or other Eastern European countries and who appear to be linked to an ‘Eastern European prostitution or human trafficking ring.’”

Things recently came to a head when The New York Post ran stories related to content supposedly found on Hunter Biden’s laptop, showing how he leveraged his father’s position as vice president to profit from firms in Ukraine and China.

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‘Don’t Mention Joe Being Involved’: Bombshell Texts Show Effort To Hide Joe Biden’s Involvement In Hunter’s Business Deals

Explosive texts from a Biden family business associate discuss how to conceal the involvement of former Vice President Joe Biden in a deal being planned with a Chinese Communist government-linked firm. Biden has repeatedly claimed that he knew nothing about any of Hunter Biden’s foreign business activities.

“Don’t mention Joe being involved, it’s only when you are face to face,” reads a text from Hunter Biden’s business partner to another business associate. The two are discussing putting together a deal between SinoHawk, which was a Biden family company reportedly named in part for China and in part for Beau Biden’s favorite animal.

The text exchange is between James Gilliar, who is a business partner of Hunter Biden’s, and Tony Bobulinski, a retired Navy lieutenant, who was the CEO of SinoHawk.

Later in the 2017 exchange, they discuss Hunter’s role in a 2020 Joe Biden presidential campaign.

The texts are part of a massive tranche of messages, e-mails, and company documents that Bobulinski handed over to reporters in recent days. Bobulinski said on Thursday that he had handed over all of his records to Senate investigators as well as the FBI.

One e-mail details how different Biden family associates would benefit from the deal, including 20 percent for Hunter Biden, 10 percent for James Biden, and 10 percent to be held by Hunter Biden on behalf of “the big guy,” who Bobulinski says was Joe himself. Later contract documents eventually kept Hunter’s disclosed stake at 20 percent and bumped up the stake for James Biden–Joe Biden’s brother–to 20 percent despite James having little to do with the work involved in the deal. It is not known whether the 10 percent to be held for “the big guy” was provided to James Biden rather than Hunter Biden.

“I have never spoken to my son about his overseas business dealings,” Biden claimed in September 2019 while campaigning in Iowa.

At a press conference on Thursday night, Bobulinski claimed he witnessed otherwise. The texts claim that Joe Biden met with Bobulinski in on the evening of May 2, 2017, to discuss ongoing deal discussions with the Chinese energy company.

A text from Bobulinski to Jim Biden reads, “Great to meet you and spend some time together, please thank Joe for his time, was great to talk thx Tony B”:

Contemporaneous media reporting in May of 2017 shows that Biden spoke at a large financial convention at the Beverly Hilton on May 3, the morning after he met with Hunter, James Biden, and Tony Bobulinski at the hotel.

Neither Joe Biden nor his campaign have specifically disputed the authenticity of underlying facts discussed in any of the texts, e-mails, and contracts disclosed by Bobulinski. Instead, the campaign has claimed, without evidence, that the Russians are responsible for Hunter Biden’s business partner and a Biden family insider releasing evidence of Joe Biden’s participation in Hunter’s overseas business dealings.

Earlier this week, the Department of Justice and the Office of the Director of National Intelligence said there was no evidence whatsoever that records released this week about Joe and Hunter Biden were the result of so-called Russian disinformation.

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Biden Business Associate Tony Bobulinski Holds a Press Conference – 7:00pm EDT Livestream…

In a wild turn of events Hunter Biden business associate Tony Bobulinski is expected to hold a press conference in advance of tonight’s debate in Nashville, TN. Anticipated at approximately 7:00pm EDT – Link Below

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Exclusive: Joe Biden’s Ties to China Present National Security Risk if He Becomes President, Experts Say

Joe Biden and his family’s financial ties to China, recently exposed by emails found on a laptop belonging to his son, Hunter Biden, present a national security risk for America should he be elected president, experts and lawmakers told Breitbart News.

They said if Biden is elected president, he would be compromised by the Chinese Communist Party (CCP) because of the millions of dollars CCP-linked companies have poured into the business ventures tied to his son, Hunter Biden, other family members, and even Joe Biden himself.

The emails, which the New York Post published last week, showed Hunter Biden trading in on his personal connections in exchange for millions and discussing how his family would benefit from them.

In one August 2017 email, Hunter Biden discussed securing a three-year consulting contract for $10 million a year from Ye Jianming, then the CEO of a Chinese energy firm, for “introductions alone.” It is not specified who was introduced.

In that same email chain, he discussed that he and his family were “partners” in an unspecified joint venture: “Consulting fees is one piece of our income stream but the reason this proposal by the chairman was so much more interesting to me and my family is that we would also be partners inn [sic] the equity and profits of the JV’s [joint venture’s] investments.”

An August 2017 photo showed a handwritten flowchart of ownership of “Hudson West,” with Hunter Biden controlling half and the “Chairman” controlling the other half. A recent report by Senate Republicans showed that a company called Hudson West III opened a line of credit a month later, in September 2017, and that credit cards were issued against the account that fueled a $100,000 shopping spree by Hunter Biden, Joe Biden’s brother James, known as “Jim,” and Jim’s wife, Sara Biden.

Another document from September 2017 showed that one of Ye’s top lieutenants in Hong Kong had agreed to pay Hunter a $1 million retainer for “counsel to matters related to U.S. law and advice pertaining to the hiring and legal analysis of any US Law Firm or Lawyer.”

A May 2017 email showed that “H” — or Hunter Biden — would receive 20 percent of equity or shares in an unspecified joint business venture with a Chinese firm, and someone referenced as “the big guy” would receive ten percent.

On Wednesday, one of Hunter Biden’s former business partners, Tony Bobulinski, came forward to confirm that the “big guy” was, in fact, a reference to Joe Biden and the equity he would personally receive.

On Thursday, Fox News reported that in another May 2017 email, Joe Biden’s brother Jim listed as “key domestic contacts” for a project the names of Sen. Kamala Harris (D-CA) — Joe Biden’s current running mate — and other prominent Democrats, including Senate Minority Leader Chuck Schumer (D-NY), Sen. Amy Klobuchar (D-MN), Sen. Dianne Feinstein (D-CA), and New York Gov. Andrew Cuomo (D).

Last week, Politico reported that Joe Biden’s son-in-law, Howard Krein, chief medical officer of StartUp Health, has been advising the Biden campaign on coronavirus. As reported by Breitbart News, StartUp Health also has links to Chinese firms.

StartUp Health was founded in 2011 by Howard Krein’s brother, Steven Krein, and received $19.3 million dollars from China’s largest health insurance company in 2018 amid speculation the former vice president would run for the White House in 2020.

The company praised China’s coronavirus response in a post on its website in March that said, “China’s systematic and urgent response to contain COVID-19 has become a kind of playbook for other countries working to ramp up similar impromptu yet systemized efforts to stay the spread of this novel infectious disease.”

It has also already been widely reported that Hunter Biden traveled with then-Vice President Joe Biden to China in December 2013 aboard Air Force Two and that ten days later, his investment firm, Rosemont Seneca, received a $1 billion investment from the state-owned Bank of China.

Experts said these vast ties with Chinese firms, which cannot operate without CCP permission and oversight, make him vulnerable to the CCP, particularly if they have compromising material on his son.

“Hostile foreign governments or intelligence services look for ways to influence U.S. officials’ decision-making in their favor, whether that official is a bureaucrat, vice president of the United States, or a presidential candidate,” J. Michael Waller, vice president of government relations for the Center for Security Policy and member of the Committee on the Present Danger: China, said in an interview with Breitbart News on Wednesday.

“They’re looking for ways to have an in with that individual, to compromise that individual to make that individual’s decisions benefit the regime it’s targeting,” he said. “This is the real danger of Communist Party investments in America, especially where it pertains to those who are tied to decision-making.”

“So Biden’s vulnerable node would, therefore, be his son Hunter, who … is a loser, a criminal, a cokehead. And a father is going to want to look out for a son like that … but the Chinese are looking at it very differently. They’re saying, ‘This is our entry into the decision-making inner circle of the United States leadership.’ Why else would they hire a completely undisciplined crackhead to trust with so much money?” he added.

Gordon Chang, author and top China expert, said if Joe Biden did receive a kickback from his son’s business deals in China and he becomes president, it would give the Chinese “extraordinary leverage over the President of the United States, especially if there are other things that we do not know about.”

“We know that Hunter was engaged in some extremely disturbing events that the Chinese may very well have pictorial evidence of. And any father would want to protect his son. There’s all sorts of things we have to worry about,” he said in an interview with WMAL Tuesday. “China does go through extraordinary lengths to get compromising material about others, and so, we should not be surprised they have it about Hunter Biden.”

He tweeted Sunday, “No person on #China’s payroll should be allowed to hold public office in #America”:

Frank Gaffney, founder and president of the Center for Security Policy, said if Biden were a federal government official or contractor, his ties to China would disqualify him for the “low bar” of a security clearance to handle classified material.

“There’s too many vulnerabilities there that would enable a hostile foreign power — let alone ones who have been directly involved in the transactions, for heaven’s sake,” he said in an interview with Sirius XM’s Breitbart News Daily on Tuesday.

He predicted that even Democrats will find a way to disqualify him if he wins the election.

“I can’t conceive of the party actually allowing him near the Oval Office,” he said. “What I believe is there will be grounds for disqualifying him from serving should he be elected–from the contents of this hard drive.”

Rep. Jim Banks (R-IN), a U.S. Navy reservist and cochair of the House Armed Services Committee’s Defense of the Future Task Force, called Biden’s ties “the worst examples of conflicts of interest in government [he has] ever seen.”

“It should be very concerning on the eve of an historic election that anyone could take the White House whose family has made millions upon millions by selling access to that person, especially when it involves our greatest adversary — that being China,” he said in an interview with Breitbart News on Tuesday.

“They’ve got the goods on him, [and] the way the Chinese Communist Party operates, they’re going to use all of this against Joe Biden and the American people if [he] becomes president,” he said, adding that the working men and women hurt by China’s theft of American intellectual property and jobs would be hurt the most.

Rep. Jim Jordan (R-OH), the top Republican on the House Judiciary Committee, said it is concerning that Biden is refusing to discuss the emails and his family’s financial ties.

“If this went on, and it sure looks like it did, you’re talking about a guy who’s going to be in the White House, the President of the United States. This is important information for the American people to know as we head into this critical election in two weeks,” he said during a Trump campaign press conference call Tuesday.

Waller said there is already evidence that Biden is holding back against China in his unwillingness to criticize China for the coronavirus.

“You never once heard Joe Biden ever criticize the Chinese Communist Party for any of this,” he said. “This is what the [CCP] does when they make these big investments in you. This is no longer a business relationship that we have; this is a political relationship as well, and you cannot criticize the Chinese leadership on anything,” he said.

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